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webjourneyman
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 Posted: 19 Apr 2006 - 8:40 pm Post subject:
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I just discovered Kaspers corner, its a page by the inventor and original developer of typo3, that exists both on typo3.org and typo3.com.
There he asks that typo3 should not be used on particular types of sites. Actually it varies between the com and org version what types are unwanted.
on typo3.org it says: ..."as the original author of TYPO3 I will express my personal wish here; that TYPO3 is not used to spread material that is against the moral teaching of the Bible and the human rights. Especially I would be sad to see TYPO3 being used for pornographic material which in my eyes is the greatest plague of the Internet and definitely one of the last things I wanted to support with my work. "
on typo3.com it says: ... "I will express my wish here that Typo3 is not used to spread material that is against the word of the Bible and the human rights. For instance don't use TYPO3 for NewAge publications, anti-christian messages, sexually explicit material, extreme political propaganda and so on. You'll be the judge yourself, but please respect this wish!"
I have no problems with most of these wishes, although Iīm not christian I largely agree with the moral teachings of the new testament, I understand extreme politics to mean fascism and/or racism and I think it is only fair to not use it for pornography if the inventor objects since it really is a moral dilemma and the verdict is still out on wether porn is harmful for those that produce or consume it.
But NewAge publications! WHAT!!!
How is that comparable to porn and hate politics? If the developers of Typo3 are serious about this clause it means the software is not free at all because it demands compliancy with a particular worldview.
It also poses a problem for me since I have already registered a domain that I had planned to develope into a site about mysterious subjects, most likely among those some NewAge topics. So would I be in breach of the GPL? And where can I read the actual GPL rules for typo3 anyway?
Whats your take on this? |
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moob
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| Posted: 19 Apr 2006 - 9:34 pm Post subject:
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"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." (2 Timothy 4,3-4)
"But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not." (2 Peter 2,1-3)
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." (John 14,6)
Thats why I recommend reading the Bible!  |
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webjourneyman
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| Posted: 19 Apr 2006 - 10:21 pm Post subject:
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Yes, thatīs what I feared. That particular brand of christianity is prejudiced agains the NewAge movement and thatīs why Kasper places it in same category as pornography and hate politics.
Those same quotations can be used to condemn any other religeon or just any branch of christianity that is different from the one who uses the quote.
Iīm not a NewAger but I know some who are. None of them are prejudiced against the teachings of christ, they actually hold him in high regard and even consider themselfes christians although they are also interested in things like spiritualism.
This is just sad, it shows such narrow mindedness. Itīs exactly the same as if Kasper was a republican and did not wish democrats to use his software, or if he did not believe that global warming was caused by greenhouse gas emmissions, and did not want those who do believe that to make websites about it using Typo3. |
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moob
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| Posted: 20 Apr 2006 - 11:29 am Post subject:
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This Jesus accepted everyone as they were...
As one of the most popular Bible verses, John 3:16-17 says, "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him."
As Colossians 1:15 says, "He [Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation." Jesus provides eternal hope, through God's grace, for everyone who believes He is Lord.  |
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webjourneyman
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| Posted: 20 Apr 2006 - 1:48 pm Post subject:
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| The fool who is aware of his foolishness is wise at least to that extent. But the fool who thinks himself wise is a fool indeed. - Lord Buddah |
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JARinteractive
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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| Posted: 20 Apr 2006 - 2:32 pm Post subject:
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So would I be in breach of the GPL? And where can I read the actual GPL rules for typo3 anyway?
Whats your take on this? |
I don't think you would be in breach of the GPL. You should be within your legal rights to what you want with Typo3. Kasper's suggestions are his personal requests, not legal restrictions.
I don't know what your "mysterious subjects" are, but not all things considered to be a part of new age are necessarily anti-Christian. Herbal medicine or the thought that "science and spirituality are ultimately harmonious" (elements considered to be part of New Age by Wikipedia) are not anti-Christian. On the other hand many of the new age spritual beliefs are. |
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webjourneyman
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| Posted: 20 Apr 2006 - 3:24 pm Post subject:
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| Kasper's suggestions are his personal requests, not legal restrictions. |
Yes youre right of course, although Kasper started Typo3 it is based on other technologies and Typo3 would not be what it is today if it was not for all the other developers who have contributed. He or they, chose to go with GPL but could have chosen another type of licence where those restrictions would be legally binding. It still does not sit right with me to associate myself with what I view as bigotry and prejudice. I was prepared to go through the notoriously difficult learning process but that enthusiaims is gone now. Iīm looking at other CMSīs as a result, such as the swedish, Java based imcms.
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| Herbal medicine or the thought that "science and spirituality are ultimately harmonious" (elements considered to be part of New Age by Wikipedia) are not anti-Christian. On the other hand many of the new age spritual beliefs are. |
Anti-Christian only to the extent that they think for themselfes and dare to make the assumtion that the bible is just a book like many other books, that the story of Jesus is just that, a story. They dont attack christianity like Kaspers version of faith attacks the NewAge movement, threatening damnation and suffering to those who refuse to believe blindly.
I dont want to bash it but in my view christianity is not any close to "the truth" than any number of religions or philosophies. |
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JohnAnderson
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| Posted: 03 Sep 2006 - 7:01 am Post subject:
Webjourneyman!
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I'd like to get in on this conversation but, I'm afraid my views would be viewd as negative.
John Anderson |
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cloy.tobola
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| Posted: 29 May 2007 - 10:37 pm Post subject:
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| webjourneyman wrote: |
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I'm not a NewAger but I know some who are. None of them are prejudiced against the teachings of christ, they actually hold him in high regard and even consider themselfes christians although they are also interested in things like spiritualism.
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I don't think the issue is really about people who are "New Agers." The problem is that much of what New Age practitioners sell is simply snake oil.
You can argue about whether Jesus was God, and whether his message was true... but those issues are largely beyond quantification. The New Age industry typically sell products (and make big money selling items) that are demonstrably fake. Nobody was ever healed by a crystal -- it's testable and has repeatedly been demonstrated [in scientific, double-blind, replicable research] that crystals have no intrinsic healing power.
So, I don't find it surprising that a programmer/developer who works in logical, rationalistic field would object to people making money off TYPO3 by selling fake spells and charms.
Just my 2 cents. -Cloy[/b] |
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